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lost [subject #367], Visual snow - let it brighten up your day, 2007. © 2007 lost (larger image see here) [more]

Depression is a common psychiatric disorder, characterized by a persistent lowering of mood, loss of interest in usual activities and diminished ability to experience pleasure. Depression is a serious illness that involves the body, mood, and thoughts that cannot simply be willed or wished away. Having depression is a major risk factor for suicide; in addition, people with depression suffer from higher mortality from other causes. Though depression is a serious illness, it can easily be cured by a qualified medical professional (a GP or psychiatrist, the consultation of the latter being obligatory in a case of severe depression). Depression is usually treated by psychotherapy, antidepressants, or best by a combination of the two.

Depression Self-Test (Zung Questionnaire)

The Zung questionnaire (Zung, 1965) is a useful complement in the diagnosis of depression; it is in no way a substitute for an interview with a doctor. Answer the 20 questions and have a look at your score here!

Vicious circle of stress, persistent aura, anxiety and depression (larger image see here). If the positive feedback loop in which the system responds to perturbation in the same direction as the perturbation runs out of control, it can result in the collapse of the system. This is called vicious circle, or in Latin circulus vitiosus. © 2008 Klaus Podoll

Triggered by the physical stress from an infectious mononucleosis, fashionphoto (subject #361) got her 1st episode of persistent aura without infarction (with visual snow) and developed increasing anxiety and depression that finally matched the diagnostic criteria of a severe depressive episode without psychotic symptoms (ICD-10 F32.2). Bound in the vicious circle of stress → triggering or worsening of persistent aura without infarction → anxiety and depression → more stress → further triggering or worsening of persistent aura without infarction → worsening of anxiety and depression → more stress, she sustained 3 further episodes of persistent aura without infarction in the following 3 months, featuring increased negative afterimages (2nd episode), increased positive afterimages (3rd episode) and trails as well as significant worsening of visual snow (4th episode). It was not until the start of an antidepressive pharmacotherapy with oral S-adenosyl-l-methionine (SAMe), a naturally occurring brain metabolite that has been shown to be effective as a treatment of major depression (Bell et al., 1988; Kagan et al., 1990; Rosenbaum et al., 1990), that her depression showed full remission within another 3 months, during which time no further episodes of persistent aura without infarction occurred. Another 3 months later, she noted beginning partial remission of her persistent perception disturbances, and that improvement continued steadily over the next 6 months.

fashionfoto [subject #361], Vision disturbances at day, 2007. Visual snow "much worse in shadows, not always this intense" (as in right top corner). "Occasional starbursts. Afterimages that are worse in intense light or poor lighting." © 2007 fashionfoto

The self-maintaining vicious circle of stress, anxiety, depression and persistent aura without infarction and its interruption by antidepressive pharmacotherapy

"I am so thankful I found this site!", fashionphoto wrote in her first post to the Yuku (fomerly Ezboard) forum Visual snow or static. "Other sites seemed to be scaring me into thinking there was no hope - I thought I was going blind - or the static/snow would become so bad I wouldn't be able to continue my schooling and career (photography).

I plan on trying everything there is and will share what I find.

My visual snow came out of nowhere while I was suffering (and still trying to recover) from severe mononucleosis which has caused me severe viral (back of the headaches), depression and depersonalization."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - HI-New and wanted to share..., May 28, 2007)

"I am currently taking steps to fight the depersonalization and depression. I am on 1600 mg of SAMe and 50 mg of 5-HTP [5-hydroxy-L-tryptophan] daily. This seems to be helping tremendously. I am not 100%, but things are slowly getting better.

Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know. This has all been so crazy for me - considering I have had it lucky - never experienced a depression for longer than 2 days in all of my life - and have thankfully enjoyed pretty good health."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - HI-New and wanted to share..., May 29, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"The doctor put me on nortriptyline (50 mg at night). It helped, but I gained 15 lbs so I stopped. I went on the medication March 26th and discontinued it when it ran out because (1.) it made me gain excessive weight and (2.) my headaches were gone."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - HI-New and wanted to share..., May 28, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"It's hard to pinpoint dates the past few months because I haven't been leading a normal life - the days all blend together - I literally sit in the house all day... Is it going to be possible for me to lead a normal life again?"

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - HI-New and wanted to share..., May 29, 2007)

"I am new to this board - so sorry if this has already been covered - but I wanted to share in case anyone wanted to try or is struggling with the same things.

I tried Wellbutrin [Bupropion] for my depression- and I got every horrible side effect there was listed.

I decided to try SAMe. I now am on 1600 mg/day and it has helped SO much in a matter of 2 weeks. I went from uncontrollably crying to close to normal in this time. I'm not 100% yet, but it has definitely helped and the benefits should keep getting better if I stick to it.

I also take 100 mg of 5-HTP just as a little bit more of a boost.

Keep your head up everyone."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - this helped my depression, June 1, 2007)

"I am under a lot of stress, yes - and I believe that is most likely the cause of the worsening [see Wacogne et al., 2003, who identified stress as 'a primordial factor in the triggering and perpetuation of migraine attacks']. I am stressed because: normally, without this, let's call it a 'blanket' of mental disease I am a very care free, happy, non-depressed person who normally cries tears of joy. I am still dealing with debilitating fatigue and headaches, severe depression, and severe anxiety that were triggered by the mono [and, in the further course, by the symptoms of persistent aura without infarction]. I was hoping these would just go away with time - but I finally realized there is a chemical imbalance in my brain and I need to seek help. Basically, I'm in a vicious cycle because I know this isn't me. Last year at this time I had 2 jobs, was enrolled in college, and took a vacation where I was skydyving and white water rafting. Now I lay in bed wondering if I am going to be able to go outside for the day. So, to answer your question - yes I do currently have an anxiety and depression disorder... THANK YOU for all of your help"

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Email to Klaus Podoll, June 17, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"Yes, I've started therapy. My body doesn't respond well to medication - so I haven't started the Lexapro (Escitalopram) given to me - but if things don't improve with the supplements, I will."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Email to Klaus Podoll, June 30, 2007)

"Yes, I went to therapy for my anxiety/depression and it is helping - also here are the lists of things I am taking in case it might help anyone else? SAMe (1600 mg/day each morning) has helped my depression a LOT. I am now going places and socializing. 5-HTP (100 mg 3x day) has helped me sleep all the way through the night some nights - other nights I only wake up maybe once or twice. Magnesium (250 mg/day) was told this should help my anxiety and headaches - it has done both. Omega 3 (50 mg 3x day) - was told this helps with nerves, plus I don't get enough in my diet. Vitamin B12 (1000 ug/day) take this with the SAMe for absorption, also has helped get back my energy. I am now able to walk, ride bikes, and be out for several hours. Much improvement from being bed ridden for so long - I'm definitely not perfect yet - but the road to recovery with a virus is long. Thanks for your concern. I'll tell you if things get even better."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Email to Klaus Podoll, July 9, 2007)

"... an update - after actupuncture my headaches are gone. My depression is gone, and my health is probably 70% from the 0% I started at - but my VS remains the same. The trails and positive/negative afterimages remain the same, too, always much worse at night. So obviously something is still wrong with me."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Discussion - question for k something - reply, September 1 and 2, 2007)

"Hi K - yes- it's been a while - but I've been staying off the boards because all it did was raise my anxiety. I could def. do a photo for you for the depression - it will take me a good 2 weeks because I have finals - and a full time job now (yay!). So, my life is pretty much back to normal besides the visual snow. I never notice it during the day anymore - I try not to look at the sky - and I can't see any snow in good lighting. I do see the 'grid' of lines several times a month - but only upon waking. I do not have anymore headaches. I also experience depersonalization very rarely - the mood aspect of things is gradually getting better. I stopped taking SAMe daily in September - I take it the week before my period now. I am receiving weekly therapy from an acupuncturist/chinese herbalist. Any other questions just let me know - I've been trying to avoid the whole visual snow topic so I don't think about it."

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Email to Klaus Podoll, December 6, 2007)

A half year later, fashionphoto responded to a follow-up email: "Hi K, impressed by your attention to detail! I've started drug free treatment for candida, the visual snow is much better but still exists. Worse in the morning and if I wake up in the middle of the night. No headaches. Less fatigue. Less positive afterimages. Still see light trails occasionally. Honestly I don't even notice the VS unless it's a dark room or it's late at night. Hopefully a year from now it will be gone, we'll see!"

(fashionfoto [subject #361], Email to Klaus Podoll, June 14, 2008)

ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yesterday, 2007. © 2007 ChelleWMCN

ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Today, 2007. © 2007 ChelleWMCN

ChelleWMCN's (subject's #272) chronic progressive persistent aura without infarction (MAS score = 2) and the uncertainty about its further prognosis threw her into a deep agitated depression (likened to a barren, desolate, empty desert in her poem Yesterday) that "consumed" her, drained "the life" right out of her and made her "lose sight of the future", resulting in chronic suicidal thoughts in which she took comfort in her severe depressive episode without psychotic symptoms (ICD-10 F32.2). There is no doubt that a persisting perception disorder annihilating the sight of the future is complicated by comorbid severe depression. If you become depressed it will become harder and harder to see a hopeful future for yourself (Zung, 1965). Unfortunately, due to a previous bad experience when taking an antidepressant, ChelleWMCN decided against drug treatment. However, as shown by fashionphoto's (subject's #361) story, it may take several attempts to find the drug that works best for you.

On February 27, 2007, ChelleWMCN wrote:

"I think about suicide quite often... a few things keep me going: one is the fear that I won't be successful and will end up comatose or brain dead, which is worse than what I am going through now. Another thing that makes me want to wake up everyday is that I have a wonderful family, but sometimes I wonder if it is fair to push my health problems off on them. Finally, we are expecting our first grandchild in two months... I want to be a part of his life... that helps, too.

I am so afraid that I am going to see the way I do for the rest of my life and it scares me to wonder how long that life will be. Maybe we all do have a serious, life-threatening illness that just hasn't been discovered or named, yet. Think of all the people who died of AIDS or cancer before those diseases were 'discovered.' I wonder if their docs thought they were nuts."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - General Discussion - newcomer, February 27, 2007)

"My vision has worsened continuously since the onset four years ago. I have had no remission of the symptoms. Every day, I worry how much worse can it get? I fear total vision loss...from either this malady taking its course or from me stabbing my eyes out during a fit of desperation."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 5 - Amazing update-My trails, April 13, 2007)

The poem she wrote over a half year later expressed her unchanged deep depression.

Yesterday

By ChelleWMCN

Yesterday, I walked through the forest.
Everywhere, I saw beauty.
Life blossoming all around.

Today, I walk through the desert.
Barren. Desolate. Empty.
Uncertainty.

Oh, how I long for yesterday.

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General Discussion - Yesterday (poetry), September 23, 2007)

Responding to IanKC's (subject's #92) comments on her poem ("Great poem, though"), ChelleWMCN wrote:

"Thanks, Ian. I wish I could have a good attitude right now... I really need it.

I feel as if I am on a downward spiral toward nothingness. The longer I am forced to deal with this vision problem, the more I wonder how long I can deal with it. Each and every day I struggle to hold on... it is consuming me... draining the life right out of me."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General Discussion - Yesterday (poetry), September 23, 2007)

"I think about ending my life quite often. My symptoms appear to be getting worse and worse every day. I have tried almost every medication and treatment available. I have had almost every test my docs can think to subject me to. My vision distortion isn't episodic... it is persistent and progressive. I can't imagine living like this for another 40 years. I don't want to be a burden to my husband or children (grown).

Is it wrong to commit suicide? I don't think so. As long as you don't harm anyone else in the process, who should care?

Why not leave this world and its resources for those who are fit to carry it on into the future? I am not depressed... I am just thinking logically and analyzing my options."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 30, 2007)

"In the past six months, we have had seven friends and coworkers die... All of these people were my husband's and my age group... they were too young to die. They had so much life left to live. I am scared to die... to be here one minute and then not the next. Extinguished like a lit match with one puff of air.

I have come to the conclusion that the only way a person can control when and how they are going to die is to take the matter into their own hands. This ideology removes the random-ness of death. This is about control... it is about not letting this monster called 'death' grasp us unexpectedly and whisk us away.

A healthy person would live their life and not think these morbid thoughts... but I am not healthy. Every morning, I awaken to visual distortions that frustrate me, and every night I go to bed without hope of a cure. During the day, I am subjected to situations for which I am having more and more difficulty coping.

I am a list-maker... I make lists, and I plan... that is how I am able to get through stressful situations. Even this week, I am taking off from work to try and settle my vision a bit (although, it hasn't helped yet). I made a list of things I want/need to do this week, to include baking pies and re-potting a plant (I have one that is still green!). This way I can relax and not have to try and remember what needs to be done and when it needs to be completed. I am now doing the same thing for this fear of death that has been consuming me... I have added dying to my list of things to do... that way I won't have to worry about thinking about it... It is not on this week's list, but on my life's list. Maybe that will help me get through this illness or maybe it will just draw me into the darkness even further. I don't know at this point."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Email to Klaus Podoll, October 3, 2007)

"I guess I am also afraid of hurting myself. Sometimes I become so frustrated with what I can't see and what I can't do... I lose sight of the future."

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - Fears aroused by persistent visual snow/persistent visual aura, December 1, 2007)

"Good afternoon, I just finished reading the [preview of the] webpage you wrote about depression. You have been very thorough in discussing both hopeful people and people who are seeking hope. You may use my quotes as you see fit to do so.

I am well aware that I struggle with harmful thoughts every day, but I have a brand new grandson whom I adore… I will try to stay strong for him. Right now, I am trying not to take any medication. My doctor wanted me to start all over with meds I had tried several years ago… I told her that I was done being a guinea pig for drugs. Now she wants me to be a part of some new studies… I don't expect to be cured from these studies, but maybe they can find out why my brain is so screwed up.

Thanks for caring, ChelleWMCN"

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Email to Klaus Podoll, December 2, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"Wow! I just got done re-reading your webpage on depression. The quotes you used of mine were really 'depressing'... I had no idea that I have been that low. I guess it is true, because I only ever write how I feel. It just seems like you were writing about someone else... as if someone like me couldn't have such dark feelings. I have no reason not to be a happy person. I have a wonderful husband and terrific children; we are financially secure... most would be thrilled to have my life. I didn't think I was a depressed person; I know it truly has to do with battling this vision problem.

Depression must keep building in me like a snowball rolling downhill. I am tired. Exhausted. I have only been sleeping 2 to 4 hours a night for quite a while. I can't turn my brain off. Can't relax. My doctor told me to double up on the Lunesta [eszopiclone, a nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic agent used as a treatment for insomnia, but as it is no antidepressant it doesn't help against the severe depressive episode of which the insomnia is just a symptom and may even be contra-indicated considering recent data (Kripke, 2007) demonstrating that modern hypnotics are associated with an increased incidence of depression]... I am really afraid to do that... you know, side effects, etc. I told her, but she said to try it... couldn't hurt.

You seemed upset that I tried the Prednisone and the IV IG... both experimental treatments. Please understand. I am willing to try anything that might make my life normal again. I realize I am apprehensive about taking antidepressants... To be honest, I am trying to avoid a diagnosis of depression. From what I have seen, if a doctor thinks a patient is suffering from depression, he will ignore the true symptoms and miss a possible real diagnosis. I am imagining seeing a doctor and trying to explain my vision problems, only to have him read that I am taking antidepressants, and then have him say that all of my vision problems are mental. I couldn't handle that... I guarantee it would push me over the edge. If I could just fix my vision, the depression would go away... I am certain of that. If taking anti-depressants would give me my vision back... I would take them, even with the side effects... but nothing has even slightly helped.

I know that I said I didn't want to be a guinea pig anymore, but I think desperation will kick in and I will do anything my doctor suggests may work. Stupid, huh?"

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Email to Klaus Podoll, December 4, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"Sixteen years old… blind… deaf… a Yorkshire Terrier/Poodle mix. She walked through the doggie door into the backyard at my son's house and she panicked. She lost perception of where she was and couldn't find her way back inside. She made her way over to the edge of the fence line and sat there waiting for someone… anyone… to come help her… at least fifteen minutes in the freezing snowy night… shaking… fearing for her life.

I cried uncontrollably when I heard about my parents' dog's ordeal Friday night. A similar event happened to me last year. When I was skiing and the white snow turned black and foggy in my vision, I couldn't even tell where I was going… I waited for someone to ski with me back to the lodge… anyone… a long fifteen minutes before another skier helped me follow her down the hill. No more skiing for me until my vision is cured.

I am so afraid that my life as I know it is over. These past two weeks have just been awful vision-wise. Exhaustion from having a houseful of company for two weeks. Fearful that I will no longer be able to do what I love. No hope of a cure. No more experimental therapies to even try. Can I live the rest of my life like this? Am I destined to freeze at the fence line?"

(ChelleWMCN [subject #272], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - Feeling melancholy about 2008, January 1, 2007)

jruddy [subject #515], Visual snow, 2008. © 2008 jruddy (larger image see here)

After having sustained 3 episodes of persistent aura without infarction within 5 weeks, jruddy (subject #515) developed a severe depressive episode with suicidal crises (ICD-10 F32.2), necessitating psychiatric consultation. With the distance gained by circa 2½ months successful antidepressive treatment with a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (Citalopram 20 mg daily), he recalled:

"Many of my negative thoughts are quite personal and I can't share most of them. I found a few that aren't too bad, and I'll share them here.

I really struggled with depression, for some reason Feb 17th was a rough day, I think it was shortly after the anxiety diagnosis for my weakness by the migraine neurologist.

Here is one from Feb 17:

I'm trapped in a box that I've built around myself, no one can see it but I can feel it.
Some days it lets me feel free and alive, other days it squeezes me onto the couch and won't let me move.
It is filled with doubts, fears and self loathing, some days I can't breath for the poison inside.
Though it may be my greatest peril, it is the one thing from which I can not run, can not hide.


Here is another from the same day.

I would like to wake up from this dream now.
Or close my eyes and not wake up at all.
I'm fed up. I've lost patience with doctors and with myself.
I've lost hope. I have no dreams for the future. I seek no pleasure.
I wear a mask once more, but it is thread bare and has worn thin.
I don't want to burden anyone with my problems. I can't believe I'm crazy.
I pity myself. I ignore myself. I push myself. I reason with myself.
These all lead to frustration and anger.
My temper grows short. The boys hear me bark, unfair.
I try to restrain, to be fair, but it makes me more angry with myself.
I wish things would go back to the way they were before.


And another from Feb 17:

If I repent, if I take You back into my heart, will you take me as I sleep?
I will not willingly destroy this home or family, but if it be Your will, I will come.
I can not live like this.
These daemons of self doubt, disappointment and frustration control my thoughts and actions.
I will not watch my life collapse around me.
Please help.


March 6:

There's an empty cavern inside me that I sometimes want to crawl into and hide from the world.
A single atom tossed in the cosmic sea, the only safe harbour that I can find is deep inside of me.


Because VS poses no immediate threat to my life, and the depression has on a couple of occasions posed real, though not immediate threat to my well being, my focus is on dealing with my mood. I do apologise if I over do it here with the Tony Robbins, Power of Positive Thinking thing, lol, but it's what I need to do to remain sane.

Cheers."

(jruddy [subject #515], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - Finding inspiration, a way to remain positive, a way to deal with VS, April 10, 2008)

Overcoming depression by adequate psychiatric treatment helped jruddy to regain control by good coping strategies in dealing with his persistent aura condition.

"Finding inspiration, a way to remain positive, a way to deal with VS.

I think I might annoy a few folks here, maybe not. I do have bad moments, days, sometimes weeks, but I try not to share my thoughs when I'm in them anymore. I have a personal journal for those moments.

I do have one person to thank as an inspiration, and no it isn't Jesus, or Mohammid or Buddha, though from what I've read they're all inspirational in their own individual ways.

My uncle David, who was born in 1958, is my personal inspiration and also he source of many of my personal demons, especially with my falling out with God, but that's another story...

David was a very active young man. He hiked, backpacked, camped, hunted and fished. He skiid, both alpine and nordic, and snowshoed. He attended mining school and travelled to the far north of Canada to prospect in his summer before becoming ill. David developed rheumatic fever while at College and this was misdiagnosed by the local rural hospital and so went untreated for weeks. By the time it was observed to be rheumatic fever, the damage was done to his system and he was afflicted with severe rheumatoid arthritis. He continued his studies but a career in prospecting was not possible with such an affliction.

Through the years he kept up his good humour, continued to hunt and fish and enjoy the outdoors experience while he could. Though crippled and in pain, he spent many cold wet mornings in a swamp waiting for the ducks to come in or on the water, fishing for walleye, pike or bass. He got married, only to have his wife leave him. With the drug coctails he was on, children were out of the question. There may have been other reasons, I really don't know.

I rarely heard him complain, only on really bad days or shorty after one of his knee replacement surgeries when I visited him in the hospital. The nurse was coming with the 'torture device'. The physio-therapy contraption that would force him to move his knee. He made jokes, yet knew the extreme pain was coming. I told him I could stay, but he became serious and told me to go.

He got out hunting one more time before he died. He was deer hunting with a friend. He never left the truck but didn't care. He just enjoyed nature. He was that kind of outdoorsman. Not the gung ho red neck kill everything, but rather more of the David Suzuki, respect nature kind of man. He needed shoulder replacements and knew this would be the end of hunting for him. By then his kidneys had started to fail as well. This was an expected effect of the drugs he had been taking for 20 years. We all offered our kidneys to him, but he knew better than us, he wasn't a good candidate for a transfer.

Still, with Dialysis every other day, he managed to make the 5 hour trip to my wedding, sandwiching it between two dialysis sessions. He was so thin, but so very happy to be there. Still making bad puns, still the same David that took me hunting when I was five. (I saw a Ruffed Grouse, 'Look uncle David, a wild chicken!')

Later that year he went into the hospital for his first shoulder operation, but his other organs had started to shut down. My mother spent his last month visiting him in the hospital. It was the ice storm of January 1998. He was 39 when he died.

There were a lot of strangers at his funeral. Young people from the local pool hall, old people from the arthritis physio-therapy pool, people from the dialysis clinic.

One by one they spoke of how David touched their lives and in some way saved them from themselves. One man from the pool hall credited David for helping him turn his life around. The arthritics said he was a shining beacon and the highlight of their day. The people on dialysis said their treatment was cold and depressing before David showed up. Now it's a social event.

I guess what this taught me is life is life. You only get one shot at it. The only thing you leave behind on this earth is your legacy. If God gives you arthritis, go fishing and play pool. If you see someone in need, help them, even though in some ways you may worse off than they are. Actually that's what the guy from the pool hall said. Here is this guy on disability, on dialysis with crippling arthritis, playing pool, trying to help him out. Talk about inspiring.

I don't think it's making the best of a bad situation. It's making the best out of life, period.

Thank You David.
Rest Well."

(jruddy [subject #515], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - Finding inspiration, a way to remain positive, a way to deal with VS, April 9, 2008)

At first I felt so low, depressed, considered suicide

"Hello newcomers, my snow started about 2 months ago as I had severe anxiety. I told my mom as soon as I saw it and started freaking out saying everything looked staticy or shimmering. The snow consumed me. I saw it all the time even on people faces in school. My anxiety got worse and worse and things got so bad I would lie around and cry and think of suicide (I am a guy and usually do not feel an urge to cry). It seemed hopeless, I have been battling anxiety my whole life but snow was new and terrifying. I went to the doctor and got on Zoloft, but before that I noticed an improvement in snow. I realized that you can't obsess over it. The snow faded and I rarely even notice it. It amazes me how when I first found this board I thought I couldn't live with this horrible snow and now I think 'where did the snow go?' lol I bearly even notice it more than 20 seconds out of the day, life is great and try not to focus on it. If you're having a hard time or feeling anxious or depressed make sure to tell friends and family and get help, life is too short to worry about such things."

(Unregistered(d), Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 1 - A MESSAGE FOR NEWCOMERS IN *PANIC* ABOUT SNOW, November 24, 2003)

"I'm a 28-year old male from the UK, and I've had VS for 3 1/2 years... Like some of you, when I first developed VS I became very depressed, to the point that one night I lay awake thinking about suicide. At that point, I think I realised that I love life too much to give it up, VS or no VS ... within a few weeks I'd got myself a job in a pub, and everything has snowballed from there..."

(gmtfd, Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 1 - About me & some thoughts on VS, March 15, 2004)

"I find it hard to think straight and some horrible thoughts cross my mind that I'm sure none of you want to hear."

(YoungMale [subject #457], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 2 - Me, rambling.... =], July 8, 2005)

"At first I was exactly like you I felt so low, depressed, considered suicide. I just didn't want to leave the house!!! I couldn't be bothered with anything I packed in work for over a year. All I did was watch these stupid visuals or look for new ones.

When I now look back I got through it by making myself do things, making myself go out even if it was just to the local shop, the more I went out the more I didn't notice the visuals. Don't get me wrong they are still there but my mind was occupied by something else. I started to go out socially again and when I was out I still had the visuals but didn't notice them as I was 'busying' myself.

For me keeping busy was the key, I went back to work and have been there just over a year. I saw a shrink who said that I was doing everything right and there wasn't much he could do for me.

It's hard to explain how I got to how I am now, my visuals are still with me, they still upset me but mentally I am alot better. I do take clonazepan but I may come off it.

They say time is a great healer!! Just never ever give up!!!! No matter how hard it gets. I'm proof that you can mostly heal mentally just not physically yet!!"

(donjenkins [subject #21], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 2 - what do I do?, July 30, 2005)

"I know it's the new year and I am supposed to be happy and positive and partying or whatever.

But here I am sitting in my appartment in the midst of all my snow and wondering what the hell happened to my life. And how I don't have any hopes of my life getting any better in the future. And wishing that I were better off not being alive. Kinda like what silverwolf said when he said he wishes he had a brain tumor. I kinda understand where he is coming from. Visual snow doesn't bother you once you're dead. And sometimes it feels like death is the only relief we will ever get from this disorder.

A lot of hppd patients also have these kinds of thoughts a lot. So I know I am not alone. And no - don't tell me I need to see a shrink and pop some pills. I never used to be like this before the VS hit me. I want to cure the VS not the depression which is caused by VS.

Are there other people out there who feel the way I do? Are there any people who don't feel this way - ... I know it's politically incorrect to say these things but come on be completely honest.

Also it's easier to deal with this if you have had this all your life or whatever.

Of course I am far far far far away from even getting close to trying anything stupid but I just wanted to throw this out there to see if I am alone in having these thoughts or not."

(visualsnowman, Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 2 - New year and suicidal thoughts, January 1, 2006)

"I remember when I was complentating my way of killing myself, about 5 months ago, but I decided not to do it, and I'm glad I made that choice. I have a wonderful girlfriend, am healthy and college is going OK. If I would have killed myself none of that would have happened, so think twice before you make that choice!"

(rock001 [subject #87], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 3 - visual snow- i wanna die, August 7, 2006)

"Visual snow is a big part of who I am. As much as I hate it, it gives me a level of strength I never felt possible. I am completely unafraid to die (fortunately I feel I have successfully beat my suicidal thoughts - I guess life IS JUST GOOD ENOUGH to keep living (despite my vision I do feel my quality of life is improving), but if I was in a situation where I might die, I would not hesitate to put myself in danger and be a hero."

(starrant [subject #183], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 5 - vs and sense of identity, January 6, 2007)

"It's alright to be suicidal over this... God knows I have over the years, this thing is a bitch."

(EamaneEldendil [subject #305], Ezboard forum Visual snow or static - Archive 5 - newcomer, February 27, 2007)

"Warum auch immer ist seit gestern abend wieder alles etwas schlimmer. Und ich komm damit einfach noch nicht klar, dass ich mit Verschlechterungen immer rechnen muss. Bin ganz schön traurig und depri drauf. Bin heut morgen nach einer unruhigen Nacht schon weinerlich aufgestanden. Es war wieder fast unmöglich einzuschlafen, da ging wieder visuell soviel ab, unmöglich eigentlich das zu beschreiben. Ich wünsche mir nichts sehnlicher als dass es einfach wieder verschwindet. Ich habe keine Lust mein Leben einteilen zu müssen : meine Leben ohne und ab jetzt mein Leben mit. Am schlimmsten ist das Gefühl des Alleinseins (bin nicht wirklich allein, aber diese Störung bewirkt, dass ich mich abgekapselt fühle) und des Ausgeliefertseins (weil ich nicht weiß, was es ist, warum ich es habe und ob es schlimmer und ob es für immer bleiben wird). Leider kommen immer wieder Selbstmordgedanken auf, weil ich das Gefühl habe der Erkrankung nicht gewachsen zu sein. Ich weiß das ist jämmerlich und ich möchte dieser Störung auch nicht soviel Macht über mein Leben geben. Aber ...

Meine Hausärztin, bei der ich auch nochmal gestern war, meint, dass es Körpersensationen gibt für die die Medizin keine Erklärungen und keine Therapie hat. Dass ich aufhören soll nach der Ursache oder nach einem Befund zu suchen. Ich solle stattdessen lieber eine Tageszeitung abonnieren und mich in Vereinen engagieren. Ich müßte mehr raus an die Luft, mich draußen sportlich betätigen, sähe schon aus wie eine Stubenhocker. Was bitte soll ich dazu sagen? Eine gute Lebensführung ist natürlich immer hilfreich, aber das macht doch die Störung nicht weg. Ablenkung, Ablenkung und Ablenkung sind überlebenswichtig, aber was ist mit den ruhigen einsamen Momenten, wo ich dem ganzen wieder ausgeliefert bin. Es bleibt ja,
die ganze Zeit bleibt die dunkle Ahnung, dass etwas nicht in Ordnung ist.

Es fällt mir unglaublich schwer auszuhalten, dass etwas mit mir passiert, dass sich meiner Kontrolle und meinem Wissen entzieht."

(augenfilm [subject #555], Forum Augenrauschen - Augenrauschen - Neue Leidensgenossin, May 26, 2008)

"Wegen akzeptieren, das mit den Selbstmordgedanken hatte glaube jeder, vor allem wenn man sich vorstellt das es den Rest des Lebens so bleibt. Allerdings jeden tag den man länger lebt kann es sein das jemand ein Medikament findet das sofort wirkt bzw. das es einfach so von jetzt auf nacher weg geht."

(Jochen [subject #320], Forum Augenrauschen - Augenrauschen - Neue Leidensgenossin, May 26, 2008)

SamyFire [subject #268], Do not risk a fatal timing! Stay alive!, 2007. © 2007 SamyFire (larger image see here) [more]

Think anyone has killed themselves over it?

"Think anyone was on their last wit and killed themselves? I mean I could see people doing it."

(omgwhy, Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 29, 2007)

"Impossible to know and I don't see why you'd want to guess at something like this. Seems kind of morbid."

(IanKC [subject #92], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 29, 2007)

"My doctor thinks I'm that word beginning with 'S' [suicidal]. Not good."

(alexxx [subject #435], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 29, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

"I'm with Ian, and I'm not going to give it another thought."

(SopuliSusie [subject #405], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 30, 2007)

"I don't really see why this topic is so morbid. I mean, I guess it's disturbing to think about, but it's a legitimate possibility. I think that by trying to brush aside this topic, we're ignoring the potential clinical severity of PA. It could make the difference between PA being an anxiety-inducing nuisance, or a life-threatening condition. If there was evidence of it being the latter, maybe the diagnosis of PA could potentially gain a bit more significance in the medical community. Don't get me wrong though, I sincerely hope that I am mistaken and that this never becomes a reality for anyone here. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone; I just think that omgwhy raises an important point and that this subject deserves to be discussed."

(lost [subject #367], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 30, 2007)

"Sorry didn't mean it to be morbid.

Anyway, when I first found this site I wasn't sure if it was going to still be active or have people on it still, but I found it has a lot of great stuff on it. I looked through the archives and have seen so many names of people that seem to be at their wits end. These were from years ago, before the site switched to Yuku I clicked their profiles to see when their last post was. Some were recent, but some haven't posted in years, these were active members. Looking through the archives was depressing and sad to see how many people had to live through this, a lot of the posts were from years ago, I wondered how they've coped over the years and if they ever got better. I'd like to think that they don't post anymore because they found relief or have gotten use to it. I also thought the worse..."

(omgwhy, Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 30, 2007)

"Yeah omgwhy you have a point, if my vision was suddenly cured I wouldn't let you people on the forum hear the last of it, I'd definately post about it. So I'm also hoping those people who mysteriously disappeared are because they leaned to cope or they just got bored with the forum, which I can't quite imagine...

And SopuliSusie I shouldn't really have brought that up, but it's very related to this topic and depression... I really don't want to say the word because it makes me feel awful."

(alexxx [subject #435], Yuku forum Visual snow or static - General discussion - think anyone has killed themselves over it?, September 30, 2007)

What happens with the people that "fall off" the board?

"I just came across this post and wanted to give a little update. Seems that when people 'fall off' the board, there is some worry that something sinister may have happened. This is not the case for me. I wish I could report full resolution of symptoms, but unfortunately that is not the case. I still have all of the symptoms I had from the first day (over 6 years ago) but no worse...

As for Lady of the Lake (Hanna), we corresponded by email for several years but have since lost touch. Last we chatted, no change in visuals although she would have worsenings after each migraine episode. No diagnosis.

Brad (eelsman) did have an abnormal ERG and tested positive for retinal antibodies. I had this test and tested negative. He did do immunotherapy with no success. I haven't emailed him in awhile. But his symptoms seemed to be holding steady...

We didn't leave you because we went blind. I just had to get on with my life and stop worrying. Zoloft [sertraline, an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class] was the key for me in doing that."

(MelC [subject #423], Yuku forum Visual snow or forum - General discussion - Interesting old posts by Ladyofthelake and others, Sepember 27, 2007; additions in square brackets by Klaus Podoll)

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